Posts by Bona Dea

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

Bona Dea

People from various denominations find it difficult to worship a vengeful God who incinerates sinners. "People want a God who's warm and fuzzy," says Jackson Carroll, professor of religion and society at Duke University's Divinity School.

I feel that statement says it all!!! It all goes back to what people WANT to believe and people will ALWAYS try to interpret the bible to suit those WANTS. BUT if you are going to claim to be a bible believer, then you should believe what the bible teaches....and it does teach about a fiery place, an eternal fiery place, where there will be torment. There is no changing these words; it's all greek (pun intended). Look up the words in your little NWT greek interlinear or at http://www.greekbible.com. They mean what they mean. Even when Christ uses the comparative word "Gehenna", the people with whom he was talking to then knew that the place he was describing would be a place that burned with an everlasting fire (Matthew 18:8, 25:41).

Bona

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how Jehovahs witness keep the cong clean.

by sleepy in

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friends

this is how jehovahs witness keep the congregations clean.

when anyone does something wrong, adultery, childabuse etc only the elders dealing with the case are supposed to know about it , appart from those directlty involved.

this means that appart from rumors and gosip, which jehovahs witnesses are instructed to ignore (i suspect this is the reason why)no one knows about it.this creates the impression among the general publishers that these things rarely happen.

Bona Dea

And JWs also have a unified org. because any one who dares to voice disagreement is promptly kicked out; e.g., Bill Bowen, Barb Anderson, the Pandelos, and a lot of JW.com posters.

Patio took the words right out of my mouth!! My hub tries to throw that "unified" and "clean" organization crap at me all the time. My take is that if every religious organization threatened it's members that they would be kicked out, ignored, and treated like they were invisible, even by their parents, grandparents, children and by their only "friends" in the world, then the rest of the "Holy" world could be making the same ridiculous boasts. Of course, they're friggin unified and clean....they give the boot to ANYONE who disagrees with ANYTHING they teach. The math is not hard to do. You'd think more of them would've figured this one out by now.

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Question for those who believe the bible.

by seven006 in

a thread started by realist which mentioned the flood and the disappearance of the dinosaurs got me thinking.

since i do not own a bible i had to download one from the internet to check a few things out (my computer is really pissed at me now).

it's been many years since i read the bible but i needed to be accurate in my research to ask my question.

Bona Dea

Dave,

If you want to really blow your mind, run the comparisons with Superman and Jesus. It's freaky if you take the time to sit down and put it all together.

I would LOVE to see that!!! If you ever get the chance to post something like that, let me know so my mind can be totally blown .

Bona

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Question for those who believe the bible.

by seven006 in

a thread started by realist which mentioned the flood and the disappearance of the dinosaurs got me thinking.

since i do not own a bible i had to download one from the internet to check a few things out (my computer is really pissed at me now).

it's been many years since i read the bible but i needed to be accurate in my research to ask my question.

Bona Dea

Heres the link to that Deist thread that I was talking about:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=31064&site=3

Dave, I hope you don't mind me veering off the subject there . My apologies.

Take care all,

Bona

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Question for those who believe the bible.

by seven006 in

a thread started by realist which mentioned the flood and the disappearance of the dinosaurs got me thinking.

since i do not own a bible i had to download one from the internet to check a few things out (my computer is really pissed at me now).

it's been many years since i read the bible but i needed to be accurate in my research to ask my question.

Bona Dea

Hi Dave,

Great thread!! I especially enjoyed your comparison of Jesus and Budha/Krishna.

Very interesting. I copied and pasted it for future reference.

Heaven,

I completely sympathize with you. I think I am probably right about where you are, spiritually

speaking. 
		I have lost faith in supposed "men of God" (and that's not just within the WTBS),

which has in effect 
		bled over into my faith in the bible...and somewhat in God. I just got out of

the borg about 7 mos ago, 
		and even before then I had my doubts about the bible. I had many

folks show me inconsistencies in 
		the bible, that I tried for the longest to just ignore or to

excuse by telling myself, "Well, that doesn't 
		prove anything because God can do anything. It

is beyond our human comprehension." Now, I am 
		at the point where I do not believe the bible

is infallible. I simply cannot. I have read too many 
		contradictions, and things that just don't make

sense. I believe that the bible has many stories 
		that can be morally beneficial (but at the same time,

it also has many that are brutally atrocious). 
		But I can't let go of my belief in a higher power;

a creator. I am simply not ready to do that, and 
		I don't know if I ever will be. I consider myself

a theistic agnostic. I also read a thread by someone 
		about Deists...their beliefs sound a lot like

the way I believe too. I'll see if I can find that Deist 
		thread and post it for you .

Bona

Sorry, about the double spacing. I can't seem to get rid of it...

Edited by - Bona Dea on 19 July 2002 11:42:31

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Newsweek Letter Writer Silenced

by silentlambs in

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friends

the following email was sent to me today, if anyone would like to send and encouraging comment to loris i will be glad to forward it to her.

all she did was tell the truth and now she is facing sanction in the congregation.

so according to wt pr you are not sanctioned if you go to the police but you are sanctioned if you talk about it.

Bona Dea

!!!!!!!APPLAUDS LORIS!!!!!! It is truly sad that the truth can and does really hurt...

"The question is do you think this is really a "worldly" person?"

Let us hope not!! I honestly can't see how anyone could reason this way:

..."Um, I saw the show and I've read all of the horribly insensitive remarks made by JWs. I can also see that they try to hide their pedophile problem and silence victims...and I did notice that they can be pretty nasty when someone comes up against their organization, judging by the remarks on BBC, BUT that guy who was at my door the other day seemed humble...so, I'm going to give 'em a try!"

Ok? Either this is a dub in disguise or a seriously twisted individual .

Bona

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Before you open that door....

by Bona Dea in

things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).

fight against independent thinking.

6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.

Bona Dea

Thanks Spice!!

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Before you open that door....

by Bona Dea in

things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).

fight against independent thinking.

6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.

Bona Dea

That must be a really tiny font with little or no margins or other white space, because when I cut and pasted the text into Word, it came out to 9 pages! Great information, though!

LOL, Neonmadman...it is super tiny. I used: font:Arial size:8 pt; Margins: left/right:1 inch, top/bottom .5.

I will be editing it some. I noticed that I mentioned the YMCA twice. I will probably take out a few of the Watchtower article quotes and limit those to two per point I'm trying to make, and I'm going to take out some of the dates and details about them. I haven't decided how to do this but I'm hoping to get it down to one page front and back.

Thanks everyone for you input!!

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Before you open that door....

by Bona Dea in

things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).

fight against independent thinking.

6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.

Bona Dea

Bleep,

I have no idea what you define as "normal". I have my own ideas about what I call normalcy, and most of the stuff I've written above does NOT fit within the realm of normalcy...IMO. Perhaps, it does to you and that is fine.

The reason behind me printing this, is not to "put down" the JWs but rather to inform innocent householders of the things they do not tell you right away. All of us here know that it is usually a long, slow process from the time they knock on that door and begin explaining (over and over again) why they alone are right and they alone have the truth about the bible...continuing week after week, until eventually anything they say or do makes sense, no matter how outrageous it would have sounded to us if we'd been told that immediately. I'm sorry if you have a problem with me, or anyone else for that matter, trying to inform people about the organization. Nothing I wrote is untrue...

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Before you open that door....

by Bona Dea in

things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).

fight against independent thinking.

6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.

Bona Dea

Opps....lol, Celia. You're right. I'll fix that. Thanks!

p, I think that is it. I know I shouldn't feed their "persecution" complex but gosh, you can't hardly say or do anything without it being misconstrued as "persecution". It is very hard for me to keep a clear head when speaking with my husband. I am very short tempered and well, frankly, I get really angry when he doesn't respond the way I think he should to, what is IMHO, sound reasoning. I would be that way with anyone I thought had the mental capacity to understand what I'm trying to say to them.

Hi JanH. So, you are saying that you think I should say that not following these rules could lead to suspension of privileges within the congregation and possibly expulsion. Or do you think I should leave some of them out all together. I put those in there (beards, good luck) so that "outsiders" can see how ridiculous some of them are. The average JW could reason to themselves that keeping these rules are necessary to the organization and cleanliness of their society...but to anyone who is not a JW, these will seem as they should seem...crazy.

I had also thought about shortening the dates and leaving out the names. I doubt that anyone outside the borg will know who these men are. Any suggestions? I saw your write up on the "generation 1914". It was very good. Although I didn't respond, I saved the link to it on my desktop. What dates and information do you think it would be most important to include?

Thanks!!